University of Kentucky Football Media Conference

Wednesday, December 19 2018

Mark Stoops

COACH STOOPS: Okay. Exciting day for us. Really good to put the wraps on such a good class. Greatly appreciate our staff and the hard work they’ve done for the past year, past two years in some cases, recruiting some of these players.

I feel very good about this class. I feel they’re excellent football players, excellent people, very good in the classroom. Feel good about going in state and getting some of the top prospects in state to stay home. Definitely some difference makers that were very important to us.

So, across the board very excited about this class, top to bottom. And there still could be one or so out there in this class. And of course, we’ll have a couple of spots left to continue to work for the February signing period. So, I like where we’re at.

Q. The in-state guys, how did that come together getting five guys? And how important specifically to get into Louisville was it?
COACH STOOPS: I think it was very important. We’ve been working these guys for some time. They’re very — there’s very good players. You don’t know where the players are going to be in state, as I’ve mentioned every year. I think there’s always good quality in this state. Sometimes there’s not always the quantity. This year, there were certainly a good amount of very good football players. And it was a group effort. Really appreciate the work of our staff and certainly Coach (Vince) Marrow, our recruiting coordinator, went in there and had a strong impact and built some strong relationships with these kids, along with our position coaches and other guys. Coach (John) Schlarman started it years ago in that area. So it was a group effort.

But Coach Marrow will talk to you in a minute, let the big dog come up here in a minute. He certainly did a very good job and definitely had a big hand in landing some of these guys.

Q. Six linebackers in this group. And they’re all kind of considered outside. Do you start them there and kind of work out? How do you —
COACH STOOPS: They’re versatile guys. There’s definitely some versatile guys. Some of them, there’s the really — there’s a couple really big ones, big outside backers. There’s the athletic guys. There’s some guys that played inside and outside. So there’s a lot of versatility in this group.

When you’re a 3-4 (defensive system) you need some linebackers. So outside backer was the biggest area of need that — with defensive back — coming into this year. So certainly feel good about what we did at those positions.

Q. Did Josh Allen’s success make it easier for you to get some of these guys?
COACH STOOPS: I think that definitely helps. You see the way we feature the linebackers and what we do. And playing heavy dose of 3-4, playing with four linebackers quite a bit definitely helps.

Q. Did you all start with a conscious push in Georgia or did it just work out that way?
COACH STOOPS: We definitely did. We always recruit that area. I think with our success this year being, having some success on the field certainly helps in that area. You know it’s the heart of the SEC in there and everybody goes into Georgia. There’s a lot of good football players in there. But we were definitely dead set on going in there and making sure we get the right players and getting good football players out of that state. They’re definitely there.

Q. The outside linebackers draw comparison to Josh Allen for you guys?
COACH STOOPS: That wouldn’t be fair to put it on any one person at this time. Plus you’d be putting down the other guys. Nobody knew Josh Allen was going to be Josh Allen when we were talking about this many years ago, right?

I don’t think one person probably had a lot to say, Freddie (Maggard). Yeah, Freddie, Freddie made you all look bad (laughter). Why do you think I hired him? (Laughter) so Freddie had it pegged right away.

Q. You had as many as nine early enrollees. Is that a direct correlation to the early signing or just the trend?
COACH STOOPS: Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with the early signing period. Once you put the majority of your class to bed, you can move on to the next class. And I just walked out of a meeting — Vince can attest to this — maybe three minutes ago and wasn’t very pleasant, to be honest with you. I appreciate our guys’ effort but it’s on to the next. It’s on with developing our players that we have, pushing them academically to meet the standards we want and recruiting the right guys in ’20.

So there’s no rest, no time to sit back. But it does speed things up. So we need to be working hard on ’20s right now, and as we get out in January and February we’ll do that, and also with finishing up this class. But I think it does speed things up a bit.

There’s quite a few players that are getting in position to get out early, which it’s really good for them. It’s good for the players. This has been going on for some time. The first couple of years you were maybe a little skeptical, just see how it works out. But I’m in total favor of it. I think it’s very good for the young men.

I think spring is a much easier semester for the student-athletes in football because the fall is just so extremely busy. Their time demands are through the roof. And it’s very strenuous mentally and physically and so when you come in in the spring, got an opportunity to get your feet on the ground and help you academically, physically get going and lifting weights and then spring is so much slower because you only have 15 practices, and it’s very fundamental in the spring. It certainly helps.

Q. Do you remember what it was like when you played early in the fall?
COACH STOOPS: Yeah, it’s definitely like drinking with a firehose. There’s just a lot going on. It’s very, very fast. Things move fast. And it’s just so monotonous. It just takes time. Just day after day for so long it gets very difficult on those freshmen.

And we talk about it, I think a lot of coaches do. At some point guys can look really good, but they’re going to go through ups and downs because they’re not just used to that consistency for that long. And certainly hit some highs and lows and at times hit a little bit of a wall that you have to help push them through.

Q. Only one running back in the class. Does that show you how much faith you have in Kavosiey (Smoke) and A.J. (Rose) and some of the guys coming in?
COACH STOOPS: Without a doubt. We felt very good with Chris (Rodriguez) and Kavosiey and A.J. going into the year. You heard me talk about it throughout the year, we really wanted to see those guys, but when you have Benny (Smoke) and A.J., it’s hard to get to those guys. But Kavosiey and Chris, when you did see them you saw the talent that was there and the maturity and how physical they are. They’ve got some speed. So definitely felt like we could just go with one running back at this point in this class, yes.

Q. Re: importance of speed and playmakers?
COACH STOOPS: I think that’s always important. It’s important across the board to get difference makers. It changes the digits on the scoreboard and certainly on defense the same way. We needed some — we needed to make sure we went and got some defensive backs and some corners.

Q. You said in recruiting Georgia, the success you had there helped you there. Overall what does the effect of the success you had this year help with this particular class?
COACH STOOPS: I think it definitely had an effect. I don’t think there’s any question. You look at some of the guys that we closed on, some of the guys we got, some of the guys in state had an opportunity to go to quite a few schools and chose to stay home.

And when we went out of state, again, the same way. You look at the battles that we had with some of these kids, went down to the wire again last night. I’m not going to mention any names, but there’s schools and there’s people top 10, traditional top 10 powers calling our kids up until last night. We fought them off and got the signatures this morning.

Q. You mentioned the word versatility. Do you ever recruit some of these guys knowing that you can maybe switch their positions?
COACH STOOPS: Definitely. You recruit some kids as athletes and knowing that they’re just — I just want them wearing blue. And exactly where they end up, sometimes you just have to figure it out.

Q. Re: wide receivers   
COACH STOOPS: Tae Tae (Crumes) and DeMarcus (Harris), both guys that are very productive, both guys have an ability to catch the football in traffic and catch the ball with people around them.

You look at DeMarcus and the production he had in the state of Florida, remarkable. He can go up and catch the football and, again, make contested catches. And very, very excited about him.

His father’s a football coach and plays for a guy, Mark, his father, coaches. And DeMarcus plays for a friend of mine down there at Vero that I’ve known for 15 years. Comes from a very good program. Good coach. So very excited about that.

And Tae Tae is another guy that can really run. And that was something that was very, very important to us. It was very evident to us when we saw him in person and watched him in camp and in practice that he can go and had another gear. And that was certainly important for us to get.

Q. What did you like about the two quarterbacks?
COACH STOOPS: Again, winners, both of them are winners. Both did an unbelievable job leading their team to state championships. And just winners and playmakers, just the things we’re looking for.

Obviously, they can throw the ball. They can run it a little bit. They can ad-lib. But they’re also very, very serious about the job. They work extremely hard at studying and have been very productive.

Q. The position groups, you’re still looking at specifically with those last four or five spots? Or just best available?
COACH STOOPS: Best available. We’re working on one defensive back right now late into the day here. Maybe have some news later on today. We’ll see. And then obviously I want to carry some forward into February. I want to have some available. You never know what’s going to happen, what’s going to shake out. There’s a lot of talk and motion with kids nowadays with transfers and things of that nature, and certainly just the recruiting, the guys that are available still. And we’re on some really good kids that we knew were going to take it into February. And we’re still going to continue to battle with those guys as well.

Q. Junior college signings, outside linebacker and also cornerback. Are those two positions you thought that maybe you had to fill right away?
COACH STOOPS: Without a doubt. Yeah, without a doubt. We definitely wouldn’t have recruited junior college players if we didn’t feel like there was a need to come in and help. That doesn’t mean that it’s a guarantee. But both of these guys are very good players. And Brandin Echols is a corner that we all know we need some help in that area. And Marquez Bembry is an outside linebacker, unbelievable speed and can run and change directions. So both of those guys should help.

Q. Two defensive linemen out of Ohio were pursued by other top schools. How difficult is it to recruit interior defensive linemen?
COACH STOOPS: That’s a great point it’s such a key with Cavon (Butler) and Isaiah (Gibson), both really good football players. When you go, and you’ve heard me talk, and you know just watching and seeing recruiting, you have big defensive tackles that are big and athletic and playmakers, they’re hard to get and they’re hard to hold onto. And we really did a good job as a staff. Again, Vince was the lead guy on both of those guys and did an excellent job in landing them. And that definitely was not easy. And really did a good job as a staff and Vince did a great job of holding them down the stretch. And I was on the phone texting back and forth with Cavon until about 10:30, 11:00 last night, I said, I’ve got to get up early tomorrow, dog, I’ve got to get to bed. But I wasn’t going to go (laughter).

Q. Is that the hardest position to recruit? Are there fewer D-tackle prospects out there ?
COACH STOOPS: Yeah, I think it’s fair to say. D-tackles are just so important. And everybody wants the big, long, athletic guy and they’re difference-makers. In this league, that’s one of the positions that really changes (teams). That’s one of the positions that separates the top from the bottom. You look at the great programs and the teams traditionally in the top 10 they’ve got some defensive linemen. Obviously they’ve got a lot of other things as well but you’ve got to have some D-line.

Q. When you’re having success and maybe you can get in some doors that you couldn’t get in previously, how do you balance that against not neglecting the type of kid you’ve got and been able to develop in the past?
COACH STOOPS: Yeah, I think that’s a great point and something that we’ll always do. We’ll always trust our evaluations and what we do and when we go on kids. There’s examples of that in this group that we went on kids early, when not a lot of people knew about them and weren’t highly rated. And then eventually they would move up, but we trust our evaluation on that. And we’re always going to do that with the core group of guys that come in and hit that piece that we always talk about, that developmental piece. And you always gotta make sure you get the right guys. Jimbo (Fisher) used to call those guys the glue, the glue guys and the guys that are just solid and excited to be here and are going to work extremely hard, do things right and you can win a lot of football games with them.

Q. Eli (Cox) another local offensive linemen who signed with you guys, joining Landon (Young) and Drake (Jackson), what about these local guys?
COACH STOOPS: Eli, he wanted to come in. He saw those guys having success. He saw the way our offensive line plays and wanted to be a part of it. So we’re very excited about Eli, and he was a fun guy to recruit. He’s the type of guy we’re looking for. He’s a Kentucky kid that wants to play here and wants to continue that legacy of playing very, very physical, tough offensive line play. So that wasn’t a very hard sell and we’ve been doing some very good things with our offensive line. And it’s great to add Eli.

Q. Mark, the success of this season helped you down the stretch for this class. Given a lot of this class has already committed during the season, do you expect on-the-field success this year to pay off more in the next class?
COACH STOOPS: Yeah, that’s a good point as well, and we do. I think certainly we have a good feel and a good jump on ’20. And there’s some good players and there’s some good players within a two-, three-hour radius of here that have great interest in us and we’ve had on campus many times and we’ll continue to do that and certainly the winning should help.

Q. Re: recruiting of J.J. Weaver
COACH STOOPS: Well, again, you have to understand, number one, what these guys go through. And they’re entitled to change their mind. Then also they’re trying to do things sometimes and announce that on their own terms. And that gets very hard and frustrating for them. At no point did we have any concern whatsoever that he was going to sign with us.

It was just a matter of how and when he wanted to do it. And that’s what gets tough and then everybody reads into it. He has a ton of family that’s coming that he wanted to do it in February. So, he just really wanted it around all of his people, to be quite honest with you. It had nothing to do with — but everybody reads into it. And there is a lot of pressure. Let’s not kid ourselves. And believe me, I wanted his signature this morning as well.

But he was very, very good about it. Very respectful. Unbelievable family. There was never any doubt about that. And it was just a matter of semantics. Just a matter of how you’re going to go about doing it. And a lot of people sometimes read into that. And rightfully so, because sometimes things have happened before and that’s going to happen. And we learned to deal with that and move on very, very quickly.

But we weren’t antsy with J.J. We felt very good about J.J. and what he was going to do. He was very open and honest with us, and he was great. So, terrific family, terrific young man. He was solid as a rock with us. And as far as them saying then, well — again, things happen. Things happen and coaches change. And so I understand the story there. Young kids have to understand as they work their way into this spotlight, what they say sometimes can bite you in the ass. Just take a look at some of the things I’ve done over the years, right? So you just have to — they’ve just got to understand that, get here, get media training and everything. But again, fantastic young man. Never a problem for us at all. It was just a matter of when, where, how to go about signing.

Q. Is there a benefit to playing in a Florida bowl when you’re going after a lot of these kids; did you see that a couple of years ago?
COACH STOOPS: I don’t think it ever hurts to get down there and play. And most importantly to play on New Year’s Day in such a big bowl against a quality opponent and that exposure is really going to help you. But playing down there definitely helps as well.

Q. What was your reaction when you saw all the tickets the allotment for UK had been sold out?
COACH STOOPS: It didn’t surprise me. I knew we were getting close. It was a matter of some singles and top rows and things like that. But the majority of our tickets sold out very quickly. Doesn’t surprise me and again we greatly appreciate it and look forward to seeing a bunch of blue down there. Our color blue. (Laughter).

Q. When you started the early signing period did you envision it being like this, that it could be 20 signing now and just a few signing later?
COACH STOOPS: We were unsure probably going into last year exactly what would happen. Because last year was a little different. And Vince can talk about this some, too, because even last year as we prepared all these players for the signing, they were so used to doing it in February, that they were waffling a bit with — waiting until February. We’re like no, no, let’s get — let’s get this done. If you’ve been committed for six months, let’s get it in the books.

So this year, I guess, would be easier process than last year being that it was the second year in a row. But, yeah, we were unsure and I think the players spoke a year ago with, again, whatever that percentage is, 90-some percent I think of Power 5 players signed in an early signing period last year. I don’t know what it’s like this year.

So it’s good. I tell you, it’s brutal. It’s a brutal December. There’s no doubt about that. And it’s a hard month. So you feel good about it and everybody’s like, yeah, don’t you want to go celebrate? No, I want to go to bed (Laughter) but we have to go prepare for Penn State right now. So we’re right in the middle of that. So it’s been real. And I’ll talk to you guys later. I gotta go to work, basically, going to get back to work here.

Q. Amani Gilmore talked about playing baseball. What are the challenges in that?
COACH STOOPS: I encouraged him to do that. He was football all the way. But I felt like Nick (UK baseball coach Nick Mingione) owes me one on that because I told him, I really did, I felt like he was too talented. I felt like he’d regret it. I was a dual-sport player coming out of high school and wanted to do that in college. I never got the opportunity. I wasn’t good enough really, to be honest with you, to play both and was always scrapping for a position, got hurt. It just never worked out. I always wish I had that opportunity and I don’t want him to feel that way. I feel like he’s too talented. He could throw. We practice every other day, 15 practices. There’s no reason where a guy with that kind of talent shouldn’t go explore it and go throw a little bit. He could throw the baseball. And I’m sure Nick can use an arm. So that will be — it will be good to see him.

Q. Baseball kept him out of the camp circuit and I know that’s where a lot of guys get ranked. Do you prefer that guys go get their rankings up on the camping circuit, or do you like when they’re a little bit —
COACH STOOPS: I could care less at that point. You won’t care either a year from now or two years from now when he’s in there playing. Doesn’t really matter. The stars don’t matter.

Q. Does it make it easier for you?
COACH STOOPS: Does it make easier? Maybe. Maybe. I mean, we knew him. (Assistant coach) Michael Smith had a relationship with him, knew his dad and knew of Amani for a long time. Maybe it helped us. I know once we offered and he had such a good year, and in fact he didn’t play a year also slowed him down — but once he started lighting it up this year, he got plenty of attention.

Q. What’s the big difference for you from the first class you came in here to now in terms of what these recruits say to you, what you’re sort of selling them? The program is in a different place, how does that change?
COACH STOOPS: I think early on there was plenty of really trying to find the diamonds in the rough. And we certainly won, certainly in year two maybe, Vince, we won some big battles and got some marquee players.

But there was still a really good dose of those diamonds in the rough-type guys, Josh Allens and guys you had to find that had you to project. This year as you move forward you start recruiting guys that you feel like are definitely a little bit, you know, maybe more developed coming out of high school and can project a little bit easier for us.

It’s also good because we’re in there competing with some traditional powers, and beating them at times, and it’s never easy. I never said that I told you day one that we were going to compete with traditional powers in recruiting and we’re going to win some and we’re going to lose some. But we’re going to battle them and do things right and I think players can really come in here now and see what we have in effect, the program that we have in effect, top to bottom, the way we develop players in all areas of their life. They can believe in that, they can see it. They can see the results.

Q. Is it an easier sale?
COACH STOOPS: I think it’s easier in that way as well because the organization is more organized. There’s more people in place. There’s good people in place. The production has been there and they can see it, and I think that helps as well.

Q. We all know a lot of attention is made when guys flip away. Does the conversation change with recruits once they’re verbally committed in some way, or do you just keep saying still keep recruiting everybody all the time?
COACH STOOPS: In this day and age with some players, if they’re verbally committed, it just means you’re in the lead. And so you better — we never stop recruiting, so we’re always on the phone recruiting.

Like I said, with Cavon, I was texting back and forth until 10:30, 10:45 last night. And then I turned it over to Vince and said I’m going to bed, make sure he stays — I said stay on him, big dog, all night. (Laughter) But no, you’re going to stay recruiting all the way through. We never take things for granted and we never — believe me, we don’t worry too much about the ones we don’t get either. Believe me, it’s personal. We recruit hard. We put a lot into it and we’re all competitors. But we’re going to get the ones we’re supposed to.

Q. What are your expectations for Moses Douglass? He’s kind of a big kid.
COACH STOOPS: That’s a great point. Because not a lot has been said about him. He’s such a dynamic player because he’s been so solid to us. Wouldn’t even take another trip. The kid has been offered by practically the entire Power 5. (He) can play just about anywhere in the country and has been recruited by almost all those schools in some form or fashion. He’s just been so solid with us and remarkable family. He is a guy that we should not take for granted because he’s been so solid. He’s a talented football player, very good size on him and again very versatile. But no, he’s a safety.

Q. He’s not going to go into a linebacker?
COACH STOOPS: No, he’s a safety. We like big safeties. He’s not nearly as big as Sean Taylor and everybody told me Sean Taylor was going to be a safety.

Q. A lot of people talk about his football intelligence. What have you observed there just being around him on these visits?
COACH STOOPS: Doesn’t surprise you. Again, being Mo’s son (former UK player Maurice Douglass) and — son of a coach — and they’re constantly working at it, whether it’s watching film, working out, around, seven-on-sevens, and he’s with his dad and around football all the time. So, it doesn’t surprise me that he has a high football IQ.

Q. There’s been a lot of social media buzz about parents putting on the uniform. Did you guys feel you were ahead of the curve when you let Nik Ognenovic father —
COACH STOOPS: He was the only one. I thought he was the player. (Laughter) No, no. We saw Nik, yeah, he’s a big dude. So he looks good in that uniform. As for the rest of them I don’t know if we’ll do that all the time (laughter).

Q. What’s the story on Taj Dodson?
COACH STOOPS: Yeah, we’ve been on him all year and brought him in this past weekend got him committed finally. So, he’s a guy that we’ve liked and recruited and he’s been I guess relatively quiet in the recruiting front and just kind of going about his business and going through his visits. We had an opportunity to get him up on campus and got him committed. And so I was very excited about that. It’s a big need.

Q. Re: big cornerbacks
COACH STOOPS: Yeah, he’s definitely got some range on him. That’s for sure. He’s got some good length and he can run but, yeah, real good size and he can run and change directions. So definitely very excited about him. We needed it. We needed some bigger corners. I don’t know if we could ever get as big as we were this year, those three monsters. But we’ll continue to look for them.

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Dec. 19, 2018
Vince Marrow Quotes
Opening Statement …
“Good Evening. I’m just going to piggyback off of Coach [Stoops]. This probably was the best linebacker class we’ve signed since we’ve been here. I know we signed six or seven linebackers, and they’re all interchangeable, but this is a very athletic group and they were very highly recruited. I was very excited about that. Defense, we needed to address in this class because we’re losing a lot of guys on defense and we should be pretty good on offense next year, so defense was a big emphasis this year.”
On how the current group takes this new group being the best linebacker class …
“Because it is! To be quite honest, losing Josh [Allen] and Jordan [Jones] and we may have a transfer here and there, but overall this is, like Coach Stoops said. We used to have to project guys. We’d take guys that were 6’2″, 210 pounds, and then hope they grow into 6’3″, 230. These guys are already the type of guys that ‘Bama or Ohio State would take, or Oregon and schools like that. It’s a great group.”
On what makes this group so great …
“Very versatile. They can do it all. You can take all six of these guys and they can be Sams (strongside LBs), Jacks (hybrid LB/DE position). Some can play Will (weakside). Some can play Mike (middle). Some can play Sam. These are the type of guys, like I said, that Nick Saban would take. You just take these guys and they become good special teams players and just interchangeable. Some guys may grow into a D-end. You just never know, but it’s good size and length coming in.”
On how recruiting in Louisville worked …
“I just think our perception. I think we were pretty good in most of the state. Pretty much 85 percent of the state. Louisville was a different monster. It was just a thing where I think Louisville just had a strong hold on a lot of the kids there, a lot of the inner-city kids. Just came in with a message to say hey, this state is pretty much 90 percent blue, Big Blue Nation. For some reason, it was like the kids there were 90 percent, but in that 10-15 percent was Louisville. We just said a different message and the success we were having on defense. Three of the top linebackers we took out of there were top guys in the country. I think they saw success of our linebacker group. A lot of people don’t know that we’ve been pretty good in the NFL for the last couple of years with linebacker play. It was just getting these guys here to come play in the best conference in the country and come play with the best school in the state. It wasn’t a hard sell.”
 On in-state recruiting …
“I’m always going to go where my boss wants me to go. It was just a thing where we … Don’t take any credit away from John Schlarman. He really did a good job there, I just came in and just closed it out. The way I recruit now was, like in Ohio, a lot of people were asking me in Ohio like, ‘What’s going on? Did we lose our power in Ohio?’ No. It was just we shifted emphasis into Louisville and the state of Kentucky. But the guys we got out of Ohio were top guys. I’m always going to fluctuate in between Ohio, Kentucky, and then some national guys. It’s just where I needed to go this year.”
On how his recruiting approach has changed …
“Those first two years here it was trying to sell something. It was trying to sell a lot of stuff, and a lot of traditional schools that we were starting to try to recruit against would send pictures of us playing Vandy with 10,000 people in the stands. It was just a lot of negative stuff we were dealing with, and it was like they’re not going to win there, they don’t have the facilities. The fans aren’t going to come out. So, we kept jumping the hurdles, then we started beating these guys. When we started beating like the lower tier of the SEC, because we were the bottom, and then we started coming up, the message was easier because they were seeing success and their coaches started seeing success. This might have been, from beating Louisville the previous year where we upset them, to being 9-3 now is pretty… I think we more expand in other states because our logo is more known and not just for basketball, but it’s known. They know our football program, but in our traditional states that we recruit in, Ohio and Kentucky, it just kicked it through the roof. The message now is let’s go beat Georgia. We’re climbing up the hill and beating some of these other teams, but we got to get Georgia. We’ve got to get SEC East soon. So, that’s our message now.”
On if former players of an area help in recruiting based on performance …
“Yes. In Ohio, I have reporters saying, ‘Man y’all got a lot of good players from Ohio.’ So, it’s easy to go in there and do that, but we also got some good players from the state of Kentucky. We really got a great number of talented players this year, but I still don’t feel satisfied because we should have got them all. When we get them all, or get 90 percent of them, then I’ll be happy. I know Coach Stoops will be happy. When you have success with guys that are already doing well, it is easy to go in there and get the kids we need. That’s how we got Chris Oats because of Mike Edwards. Chris Oats was a lock to go to Ohio State. The message we sold him was look at Mike Edwards. Mike Edwards had like 30-something offers, and he came here and was an impact player as a redshirt freshman. It is easy to do that.”
On if the success of this year will pay off more next year …
“Yeah, because, I’m going to tell you, some of the dudes that we lost in the ’18 class, even the ’17 class, you’ll see them talking to some of our other players saying ‘Man, I knew we should have went there.’ I saw it, but it was like they didn’t believe it. Then when we went down to beat Florida, it really changed the whole game. It seemed like with Kentucky there was always a stigma that you had to get over the hurdle. So, when we started beating all these schools and beating other schools and then everyone was like, ‘Well, they haven’t beat Florida in 31 years.’ So, we beat Florida, and I think when we beat Mississippi State, because of the way people were projecting them before we beat them, that they were probably the second-best team in the SEC, it really went far in our recruiting. You’ve just got to keep climbing those hurdles though.”
On if Penn State is a hurdle …
“I think, because I was up late, and I was watching the news. C.J. Conrad was on and he made a comment. Someone asked him about playing in the Big 10 and he was like, for these Ohio kids, it is. Most of our kids in Ohio, we played Northwestern, but now when you play Penn State and Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State in a bowl game, trust me those guys will be really up for that. I’m even up for it! Because you grew up in that area, and that’s what we grew up in. These kids came here because our message was come play in the best conference in the country. We have a Big 10 mentality on our team, so it’s going to be interesting.”
On C.J. Conrad being able to play in the bowl game …
“Yeah. I’m not one of those dudes who knock on wood, I pray. I’m so excited for him because I still think this kid is very, not with our staff and I think even with our local media and our fans he’s very unappreciated. I’ll tell you, he’s going to play well in this bowl game then he’s going to East-West Shrine game. That’s where scouts are going to see that he’s really who he really is. I’m just excited for him because he means so much to me. He was one of those guys that, that ’15 class, where I think getting a kid like him, because he was so highly ranked, it really sent a message to the rest of the country that we really were recruiting some top-notch guys. I’m going to really miss him personally because he was actually like a son to me and him being out of that room (tight end meeting room) is going to be strange next year. I’m very excited that he’s going to get to play in this bowl game and finish his career off. I think he had one of the best careers you can have as a tight end, but also as a student-athlete and him being who he is.”
On if it’s rewarding finding the kids with a hunger and desire for the game …
“That’s like striking gold. You tell me, if in 2015 Josh Allen was going to win all of these awards, he probably should be the first pick of the [NFL] draft when you really look at a guy like him. I mean, the last guy I saw dominate like him was Ndamukong Suh when I was at Nebraska. He would just take over games from a defensive standpoint. When you’ve got 20, we signed 20, that’s what Stoops was saying, with the next five, two of them are probably guys you would say we’re taking a reach on. Let’s say with this guy he’s a 200-pound linebacker and we take him as an athlete, maybe he’ll grow into a 225-pound, 230-pound linebacker. You’re still going to look at guys. We’re still going to develop. The main thing is about developing our players. Maybe you guys will put him a four- or five-star, but maybe a two-star to you guys, but in our eyes that’s projection. We see him as a three- or four-star down the road. We’re still always going to recruit guys like that.”
On how to balance getting the top recruits while also looking at the lesser noticed players …
“You think when we get to a certain point, that we want to take this football program, that we are like you want to be like Ohio State, you want to be like Alabama, you want to be like Georgia, you want to be like Florida. That you’re going in and getting the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s. When you get to that point that you can take a 235-pound linebacker coming out of high school, run a 4.6, 4.5 (in the 40-yard dash). It’s easy to project what you’re going to get out of that, but you still can’t miss out on that you’re going to find a guy like Josh Allen or find a guy like Benny Snell. When I recruited Benny, it was more Stoops going to find that we couldn’t get a yard, an extra yard, or score a goal line one-yard run. He said let’s go get a back that’s going to get us that yard. I got to be honest. I had no idea that this kid would turn into potentially the all-time leading rusher and break all these yards. So, it is something about our development here. We’re going to keep on trying to find those type of players.”
On Tae Tae Crumes possibly being the best of the Louisville signees …
“It’s not crazy talk. I think Tae Tae is going to be like Jeff Badet. I think because he stayed committed and a lot of these guys want to be drama kings or drama queens and all that stuff, he stayed committed and sometimes you get lost in the shuffle, but this kid is fast. Ohio State was recruiting him, Michigan, Michigan State, he was committed to that school down the street, and we flipped him from them. I think you’re going to be very surprised with this kid and his speed when he comes in here. He’s going to be a great addition to our receiving corp.”
On five signees being from Georgia …
“Georgia is the number one state that really produces college football players right now and I think even pros. When you have success, you’re not looked at as a joke going in there. I’m telling you when I was recruiting a quarterback years ago, and I went in there and started taking over his recruitment, Kentucky was looked at as, ‘Why you want to go there if you’re from the South? Why do you want to go there? You’re going to skip over all of these schools to go to Kentucky?’ But, when you starting beating those schools. When you start beating South Carolina, Florida, Missouri and all of those schools, Mississippi State, well, oh, this is a school I really want to go to. That’s what happened with us in Georgia now. This kid [Travis Tisdale], reminds me of Boom Williams so much. He has some traits like him. I really think this kid is going to be a homerun. I’m very excited to see him play.”
On the personal benefit of beating top programs for recruits …
“We really played a poker face with Cavon [Butler]. He took his visit this past weekend, and Coach Stoops gave him a good strategy, I’m not going to tell you what he told him, but he was like, ‘Hey, I know these other schools are still pounding you. Let’s let you guys [the media] think all these crystal balls that he’s going to Ohio State, and he’s going to Michigan State.’ Even though I know we said it to him in there, and he was good with it, I started getting nervous. In that state, there’s pressure that you guys really don’t understand. You got teachers in that school, you’ve got coaches, you got principals that are all Big Ten people, and they’re really pressuring this kid. I think what the kid did, he never said that because if he would have said, ‘I’m going to Kentucky Sunday.’ He would have been hit really hard for the next three days, and so he played a good poker face, but I got to say that’s why we were still texting him until midnight. You get nervous because that school up there is pretty good at getting guys. Personally, when we got Chris Oats, that was really a thing of saying, ‘Wow, we really battled these guys.’ We really battled these guys for Cavon Butler. I know Stoops is very excited about that.”
On what DeMarcus Harris brings to the program …
“He kind of reminds me of Garrett Johnson, not as fast as him but very productive. He’s a son of a coach. He really put up some numbers this year, too. You look at the stats, but what I love about this kid is he is an even-keeled, not flamboyant, not all on Twitter, he just goes about his business. He’s going to come in here and work, and I think you’re really going to see that, because I know you guys joke about it, but we need guys that can catch the ball, and he can really catch the ball. I think he’s going to a really great addition to that receiving room.”
On if he thinks coaches’ sons are ahead of the curve when they get to college …
“No doubt. I heard Mark [Stoops] get asked about Moses [Douglass]. Here’s what people don’t understand about Moses. Moses had about 31 offers. He had everybody. I want to give parents credit right now, parents like the Douglass’s, his mom and dad. You had everybody pulling at this kid. This kid never took another unofficial visit. He still had five visits where he could have taken visits anywhere, and the kid was loyal to this University and loyal to us. Some say because his dad played here, but his dad had an open mind with Moses. But he did say, ‘When you commit, you’re shutting it down.’ I really want to take my hat off to his parents there. Keeping a guy like that, he’s really been underrated because we’ve been talking about so many guys, underrated with the media, but this kid is a good football player, and he will play as a freshman. He’s a big, physical kid, and I know you all say, ‘Are we going to move him to linebacker?’ No, you want guys like that. You want to be intimidating. You see the big corners that we had. People were very intimated by our corners, so I really do think that players whose dads our coaches or even teachers, you see those kids are a little more polished. They’re no nonsense, and they are ready to go. I wish I could recruit a lot of high school coaches’ kids because they know the drill. They know what it means.”
On the one signee that we will look back and say that was a find four years from now …
“Me personally, I think it’s Shawn’Kel Knight[-Goff], the kid out of Louisville. He is a very athletic kid. He can play safety, he can play linebacker, he can play receiver, and he can play running back. He’s so athletic. I think this kid would have been a high four star but his circumstances, he worked in the summer and never went to really any camps, but he came to our camp and ran real well for a guy that big. I think he’s going to be a guy that surprises a lot of people. I really do.”
On signing a tight end from Florida after signing eight straight tight ends from Ohio …
“That will show you that I must really like this kid from Florida because this kid from Florida –have you seen his dad? He’s got guns like there’s no tomorrow. I really like this kid. He’s a very smart kid, just a respectful young man, and he’s big. He comes from a big traditional school, and I kind of want to go down in January when I got to go see him, I can go to Florida now instead of staying in Ohio. I’m very excited about Nik [Ognenovic]. Big Nik, I like him a lot.”
On figuring out which person you have to convince to help your chances with getting a recruit …
“I always tell our guys, ‘You better find out who the decision makers are quick.’ It can be the girlfriend, it can be the pastor of the church, it can be the teacher, this year, it was a principal and an assistant principal who had a really strong pull on a certain kid. In Moses’ case, I remember his dad would come up here a lot. ‘Coach, when are you going to jump on board Coach.’ ‘You’ve got to talk to my mom,’ he said. ‘You got to talk to my mom before I do anything.’ I think she wanted him to have his own way because his dad played here. She wanted him to have his own life, and I had to convince her, ‘Just come up and visit.’ Here’s the great thing about this city, I say the state, but this city. Since I’ve been here, we always tell parents and they come in and stay where they stay downtown somewhere, ‘Just go out, go into the community.’ Now, this could backfire against you if you really didn’t know this city, but they’re really for the most part, nice people here. They’re really respectful, and she said she didn’t even tell us she got a room, stayed downtown, went around, went to restaurants and people were just so nice and people were so respectful. She came back and told us because she’s a professor herself, she teaches at a college, ‘I could see my son going here, and I can see why he wants to go here.’ But, I think the people in Lexington really played a big part in their hospitality and just treating these parents respectfully. Because, you want to know where your kid is going to school. You want to know what kind of people are going to be around. So, I think that was a big part. I know she told me that, and if you interviewed her, she probably would tell you that, too.”
On looking back at this senior class and thinking they were a game changer when you signed them …
“It was a combination of our ’14 class as some of the guys redshirted and then the ’15 class, but yes. I can honestly say, so you’re talking about Mike Edwards, Darius West, even though he gets criticized a little bit, but Dorian Baker has really won some really big games for us here. I can go down the line with Josh Allen, C.J. Conrad, George Asafo[-Adjei], Bunchy Stallings, all five of the DBs. These were guys that we said we’re going to win some games with, and you start seeing it immediately with the ’15 class in their true freshman year. Here’s another thing, a lot of them redshirted, so they were true four-year seniors, I’m talking about the ’15 class, so we did look at it and say we can do really do some damage with these guys and win some games. Now, I knew we were close to beating Florida. I thought we should have done it in ’14 when we got robbed down there, and then I thought we should have done it the next year when they came here, but then we took a back when we went down there and got our teeth kicked in, was that ’17? Or ’16, Benny [Snell] lets me know that because he didn’t play, he was still mad about that. But yes, I think you guys will remember these guys, and they will go down as guys that really changed Mark Stoops’ program and changed the culture because I’m going to tell you, when you go places in the SEC, you better have some dawgs. We say dawgs or goons. You better have some dudes because you’re going to get ate up quick and for the first time, I think Steve Superior said it in ’14, and it was kind of like he said a joke, but he really meant it. It was a compliment. ‘They look better than their uniforms.’ What he was trying to say was that it ain’t these pipsqueaks coming out there no more, guys that don’t look like SEC players, so we knew in ’14 or ’15 that would be the class that we said we should win the East. Because the vision, that was hard, but we did it.”

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